2012 Tesla Model S: Still Worth It in 2023? (Shocking Truth!)**
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OSR Garage tried out an old Tesla. The 2012 Tesla Model S 85 was just a base model with 265 miles of range in a beautiful package.
Tesla was lightyears ahead of the Legacy brands and this OLD Model S was an inspiration to many. Build quality has been an issue for Tesla lately, especially with the Model Y and Model 3, but this 10yr old Model S still looks and drives excellent.
A 10 year old Tesla Model S can be had for a price that's much more reasonable than a brand new, 2023 Model S. But are the old, first generation Model S cars still worth it, or are they completely obsolete?
The tech in Teslas has changed significantly over the years, but at their core, the original cars are still remarkable in their own way.
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2015 85D here. Bought for less than $29,000. Over 100,000 miles but drives great. New MCU2 makes it feel new. New brakes and rotors. Free supercharging. Way less than a brand new Nissan leaf plus. More range. AWD. Superior everything.
Wow! Great job!
Can’t wait to get one! I see no point in getting a new model 3 for twice the cost of this model s
@@double_joseph327 the one I tested is still available
@@offtheshelfrides how much?
@@austinkurmay8646 $30k
Unpopular opinion, The front end looks better on the 2012
Unpopular indeed
Absolutely agree
My wife feels the same. I like the new one, but i'm keeping the original. I'm going to try and keep it alive as long as possible
It's aged well but fake grills look stupid bc they are. Newer versions subtly much better looking.
Pictures shown here don't do them justice, both versions look much better in person, black well cared for oldies still look good and modern tho.
My girlfriend thinks that as well. I like 'em all. But I guess if I had to pick, I might just go that route as well.
Great video!! I've been looking for more recent videos of the older model Telsa and this one sure foots the build. Thank you much for the walk-around. I think I shall save the money I was going to spend on a 3/Y and get an 'older' S - especially if one looks this clean. Thanks again!
Happy to help! This one is still available at the dealership. I was told 2k to upgrade the tech.
Even if you change the battery pack it be cheaper than another car on the market
The car seems to be holding up really, really well and $30k is a great deal. Thanks for making this video...
Great! Thanks for watching, we will have a couple more on this Tesla coming soon.
I think $30K is very pricey.
Hello,
Handle is simple to fix( if ur handy)by buying inner cable and headliner can be cleaned with tuff stuff foam cleaner. Have a 2014 MS w/103k & love it. Good luck
Cool, thanks
out of warranty issues (if any) on these older vehicles may eat into the deal...Believe me, you don't want to own Tesla without a warranty...My 2021 M3 had faulty HV battery (more common than you think) after 42K miles ,,,replaced under warranty for free,,,out of warranty, the HV main battery replacement cost (part & labor) will be around $16K. For 30K, I would prefer to have a newer Tesla under warranty - especially now that new Tesla vehicle prices are coming down.
3rd party Extended warranty is the way to go.
Wise words from a smart Tesla owner. Meanwhile, I am still motoring in my 30 year old ICE car. No warranty issues, because I do all the repairs myself for quite low cost.
@@gibsonpraise6167which almost nobody offers that cover the battery, so insurance will cover a 15k$ repair...
Or did you find any?
The first true Tesla. Still looks straight from the future even today.
I remember when they came out naysayers said they will last 5-6 years and then they will go to scrapyard... The narrative has not changed much with new EVs coming out, but I think as time goes by we will see that they are surprisingly resilient.
Late to the party but wanted to share my story.
I bought a 2014 p85d with Ludacris+, AP1, FUSC and Premium Connectivity in December 2023 had it for 6 months and saved 6k in gas while doing DoorDash.(It's actually what made DoorDash really actually worth it) Got in a crash 😢 after 6 months of owning it ( got t boned) .But today was my Happy day of finaly getting a replacement after 2 months of back and forth with insurance and finding a good deal I got 2015 P90D fully loaded with Ludacris FUSC premium connectivity etc. for under 25k
That is a great story!
Change the front bumper to the newer updated version and change the wheels to the turbine ones. Looks exactly like a 150k dollar new Tesla.
Right on!
Doesn't swap
Really cool that they keep updating the software for you. It doesn't look much different than the new ones. Plus FREE fuel. I don't think I'd pay 30K for it either though.
you should have a look at the panel gaps on a Nissan Leaf ZE1. That Tesla looks amazing by comparison.
I haven't seen the Leaf in person yet, but I thought panels looked pretty good. If people weren't complaining about them so much, I wouldn't have even commented or even looked at them.
Only buy teslas with at least 5 year 50k miles left on powertrain waranty.2019 plus model s or 2021 or newr model 3 or y anything older might not be ideal.
3rd party Extended warranty is the way to go.
@@gibsonpraise6167 do you have any ballpark figure of cost.
Great video, thank you. it’s a perfect video for me right now since I’m pretty sure I’m buying a 2012 model S this weekend. As good as this Car in the video looks, believe it or not, the one I’m looking at looks even better with only 51K miles. The one thing I would replace on these is the MCU1 to the new MCU2 immediately. That will get you all the updated new features. A lot of people with 2017s and older are doing this actually. About 2k but worth it. Everything on that screen will work fast and smooth
That's Awesome!
Did you buy it ?
@Ben Phillips no, I didn't. We just borrowed it for the weekend. It is still available!
Dude what a good video this made me consider the S as a car option in the 30 to 35k for range
Awesome, thank you. It truly is worth it, glad I could help!
Now let’s talk prices or a battery about to expire, leaking roofs, tail lights, tires, and the super slow super charging.
Another big difference between this generation and the next refresh is the roundness. The first Model S are much more round and bubbly.
Good point!
Glad it works for you. I bought a 2013 Mod S P85 for my granddaughter for $8k. 127K miles. Car was beautiful, no scratches, nothing. After 3 months and 1000 miles, I have an $8K brick. No main battery, Teslar repair center want $15,650 for a rebuilt that only has a 30 day warranty(22k for new battery but no warranty on anything else going out). So in my mind, NO Tesla anywhere is a viable used car. It's only worth what it's existing warranty is left. Maybe they could be an expensive lawn ornament, or people can set their tv's up on them or weld the doors and make them into small hot tubs? I never lost that much money on a car before without getting any real use out of it.
I'm sorry that happened. I only had the car for 3 days to make this review and a few charging videos. I enjoyed it and didn't have a problem while I had it.
Well, honestly, you got it for 8k under what a working order one should be.
It's a surprise that some guy even sold it to your for that price, too good to be true ehh.
Thanks for the video. I'm in the market for a used model S here in AU, 2016 or above to have some battery and motor warranty. With yours, the MCU may only be 8Kb and this buffer causes screens to not open apps and or completely freezes. Tesla will upgrade this MCU to 64Kb for free so its worth considering to do so. The door handle can be rectified with a Tesla repair kit.
Good luck in your search, glad I could help. Thanks for the info!
It holds up much better than I expected. Positively surprised.
But I gotta say panel gaps on my old 2007 bimmer still looked almost perfect a year ago even though it had some bodywork done in the front back in 2009.
The downfall is the slow charging.
Tesla has reduced the speed of charging on those older model S, so it's not good for long distances.
And you never know when the battery or motor is gonna fail, which would set you back big money.
I just bought a 2015 with free supercharging in California and drove it back to Colorado with no issues. I paid $0 for charging and speed was fine
@@davidrh74 how long did it take to charge it during your trip?
I'm also not sure how much of an issue it is, but wouldn't want to have to stop 2hours for a 500 miles trip.
You need the standard pack to navigate and it is free the first 8 years (counting from day of the delivery of the car), for more features you need the premium pack and that is free the first 30 days (counting from day of the delivery of the car) if you want the packs longer you need a monthly subscription
Awesome, thank you!
Np, i love the first model s its like amazing how they got all the tech of the screens in 2012 most cars of that year had like analog dials and some not even a center screen just a radio
My 2013 is a nightmare. about 10 things including the battery at 14k cost in the past 10 months.
Only changed the battery once?
@@strawdemindset yea...$14,000....there is a youtuber called Richrebuilds that has some content on fixing the battery. I was wondering if mine could of been fixed for much less. There is also a company called Evolve that is working on this same type of repair.
These are discardable cars, you're not supposed to keep them for long.
@@pedinhuh16of course your joking.....since when is a 100,000 car discardable? I dont even wanna know what you drive
@@pedinhuh16youve lost your mind Sir
I'm amazed at how well it kept up for being ten years old! Free Supercharging is phenomenal!
Although I have a couple questions:
1. How much legroom is in the back seat? Does the seat fit you well? Headroom?
2. How long does it take you to supercharge your battery?
3. What's the ride quality like? Any wind noise? And is the suspension stiff given that it's a sports sedan?
Thank you!
Charging is limited to 80Kw so it will take longer than newer Teslas.
Back seat room was decent, headroom about 2 inches and 1 inch between knees and the driver seat.
Ride was good, similar to a Cadillac, newer Teslas are much stiffer. Wind noise was pretty good, surprisingly
@@offtheshelfrides Oh okay that's pretty good! Thanks for clearing it up!
8:57 yea it does, hit the right or left scroll wheel and that activates voice commands for say, "Navigate to Steak & Shake" It should Navigate. Hope this helps
My wife and I have a 2013 October build. Original battery. 140k miles. Bought used straight from Tesla. No autopilot. Backup camera tho. Still gotta make a review but the process was poor to say the least amount of words. Received in Oct 2018 so they were going thru growing pains for sure. EDIT: if that car does not have the "tech package", RUNNN!!!!!! May be why there is no nav.
Not sure, I was told it's a paid subscription, like $10/month??
Tech package doesn't appear to be on this car. The intake strakes by the front lower lights will be chrome on Tech cars. Black on non-tech. Tech cars also had the power rear lift gate.
@Joe Bass ok, thanks. If there isn't navigation, what Is the point of the map then?
Can’t you just pay for the new MCU2? I think that’s all you would need to get nav and everything else that comes with it. And I’m sure this one comes with free life time connectivity
This car doesn't have the tech package, the rear trunk will power open and close with that among other things.
Get the MCU2 upgrade it'll gain sat nav and transform the user interface experience!! I have a 2015 P90DL and I love it. Paid less than a third of the price it was new
That's great! Thanks for the info, but I was only borrowing it for the weekend from the dealership.
@@offtheshelfrides well I hope you loved every moment!
@@TraderJono we did. If it was time for a new vehicle, we would have bought it.
@@offtheshelfrides maybe one for the future when they're $15k
I have a 2014 model s 85 and it's very good
I found no major issues, loved the car.
2015 MS P85 Still well under 100,000km and in pretty mint condition. Love it! Free charging everywhere, and the battery is in really good condition for its age. Really surprised me! Love this car
Yep! It's a pretty great car!
They are now going for as cheap as $14k under 100k miles
Yea, the market is way different from a couple of years ago...
The old front end look better than the new one….I’m sold I’m going to buy a 20 13 Tesla for 22k
That's a great deal!
This model is getting really really old. I wouldn't buy a new one.
I have a 2013 p85d I just bought from my buddy for 25k. 116k miles and a few signs of degradation, mainly the software is ridiculously slow and some of the interior in the trunk is falling down. I also have issues with the rear left handle just as you stated in your video ($400 retrofit quote from Tesla so I’m holding off). However I guess my main complaint is it charges pretty slowly.
Other than that I’m pretty happy with my purchase, especially when I work down the street from a supercharger and I haven’t paid for fuel since I bought the vehicle (gas prices in CA are $5/gallon right now).
My battery health is at 90% according to a third party app. I’m probably going to upgrade the mcu and add some better speakers as the sound quality is surprisingly lackluster. Again, I am not disappointed at all with my purchase as the benefits of this vehicle outweigh the drawbacks by far.
I’d also like to upgrade the front bumper to the newer model look as I think the older one is absolutely hideous 😂. I’ve watched some videos on RUclips and it looks surprisingly easy but costs about 2k.
Yes, I believe the max charging is around 90Kw on these early models
@@offtheshelfrides I sadly haven’t seen over 65kw😢
@@thomasjameson5761 it might be the Temps, when it warms up, hopefully it will get better
I have the same as you and I just posted the train wreck I have
@@dupaacct5956 I’m confused where did you post it? I don’t see it in your profile
Give that door a reach-around…!
Sniff the seats, see if there are any farts left behind…
as far as your door handle problem goes. Mine had the same problem. Guess what? Check the child lock
It wasn't that, you can open it from the inside and the other rear door opened fine.
In UK a run a P85 bought from new back in 2014 now 138,000 miles. It had new drive unit at 35,000 (bearing noise, a lot of cars had this) and new battery at 75,000 (coolant leak) both under warranty both took 2 days, pretty faultless machine never stranded me. Theres a world of difference in performance from the S to the P (due to much bigger inverter) really worth the money and the red calipers and carbon spoiler really pop on white or black cars. Most work needed I do as spares are cheap and they are easy to work on, brilliant cars and the classics with free super charging sought after now
Thank you for that info! Glad it's treating you well!
Is that the Signature?
I believe so
Elon once said the old S seats were terrible. Is that accurate?
I believe it is real leather which I much prefer, wish it were an option but options aren't a Tesla thing.
I thought the seats were great. Yes, real leather and held up really well for an 11yr old car.
@@offtheshelfrides Possibly Elon was referring to very first iterations.
Car looks great, but try to get that low voltage 12V battery replaced as soon as possible.
It was just borrowed from a dealership, not my personal vehicle.
Wow. such a beautiful car. I am only 15 now, but as soon as there is a job opening near me I will work my absolute hardest to be able to afford this car. My dad has a 3 and I love it but there is nothing better than an s, and with medium mileage examples going for just $23,000-$29,000, I want it so bad.
Go for it!
I want the same thing😂 i work a job, but as a trainee still, after it i can make around 3K a month. But i dont like the job too much, but i know if i sell my current car on top of it, i will have the money for a tesla soon
@@KEV19019 sounds like a good plan!
I just bought a 2013 model S p90+ yesterday. Milage high asf at 173k but the battery and drive unit been replaced at 70K.
@@TriangleNskyhow much was your car?
30k. 10 yr old 100k miles .... sir its more like 13k not 30k
This video is 2 years old, coming out of Covid. The car was valued on KBB at $28k and it was 80K miles not 100K miles. But thanks for watching, sir.
Just bought a 85D 2015 48k miles for 25k drives better than any car I’ve had prior. Coming from a bmw 428xi
That's great!
High mileage Model Ses are now getting under $20k.
Yea, it was a good price when I made this review. I think it sold for around $26K about a month ago
My theory has always been that all the Tesla cars up to 2017 were built to make a statement about the quality and reliability of the electric cars. Then when the Model 3 production was started, all the attention to detail had been sacrificed.
That actually makes a lot of sense, once they got established, ignore the build quality and throw Power and Range #'s around and people won't care what it looks like.
@@offtheshelfrides it also has to do with where you put your resources. When the Model 3 was launched to come out, the number of orders to fulfill must have been overwhelming. I don't think Elon wanted to sacrifice any quality of the Model S, but he did have to divide his attention to making sure the latest car not only had met within the expectations of its deadline, but also ensure that the quality of the car had met or exceeded the expectation of the public.
Elon like Steve Jobs wants the "WOW!" factor in everything he puts out. He knew he was going up against an industry that would curtail him in every way possible, so his way to beat the system was to exceed far beyond any other car company. I just recently bought a 2016 P90D and I can tell you in all honesty that the car is as solid as the day it was built. (Unlike BMW, Merc, etc.)
My point is based on my experience that comes from owning a pizza business for 4 years. I don't think any "rational" business owner wants to sacrifice quality to save a little money. The best scenario is less expense, equal quality. If you have a strong customer base, you know that anything you change can easily change things for the worse. The problem is, you may be doing something that is destroying your business and never know it, because most people won't outright tell you what you're doing wrong, so when you do make these changes, you need to be REAL careful that it doesn't destroy the very foundation that you had built your life upon. My little experience in business really helped me realize just how little I knew about business.
Sorry, this came out a bit wordy, and is just my perspective, but I've always loved hearing input from others. I really enjoyed watching your video.
8:19 dash crack, bummer.
I bought a 2014 and I’ve had nothing but repairs on my model s. Now Tesla wants to charge me $22000 to replace batteries.
Sorry to hear that! Why do they want to replace the batteries?
@@offtheshelfrides because my car is completely dead. The front battery in the drunk was replaced three years ago by Tesla but now they don’t want to cover it and said that all batteries need to be replaced.
@@mirnasjwow, that sucks....would they give you anything on trade?
@@offtheshelfrides the cost of repairing is more than the value of the car.
The reality they never fucking talk about
A new Model S right now is 82k and with incentives less than 75k. Would be a great buy if its still worth 30k over 10 years later
i also really wonder how many miles a battery actually survives, could be 150k but could also be 500k.
Yea, you never know, but is seen model s's with 200k miles on the original battery. With all the price drops and used Teslas dropping. That 2012 actually sold for $26k I believe...
Nice review. I purchased my 2015 model S 85 in March 2023, it only had 34000km on the clock and it looks and drives as good as new. When I purchased it, the dealer fitted new tyres and also had to replace the rear hatch window as the high level stop light was not working. Since then, the only thing that went wrong was the 12V battery required replacement. All the reset of the expenditure is for enhancements. CCS2 upgrade, 16 to 32 amp AC charging upgrade, Drive motor coolant delete, MCU2 upgrade (only due to 3G phased out in AU) and the front bumper face lift from TSportline. Same color too, Monterey Blue. Love it. Car parking can be a challenge as the back of the car is fat. 41000km on the clock now.
Wow! That's a great story!
Handle wire needs replacing. Not hard fix if you have an hour or two to spare.
30k for a 10 year old car 😮 and that's a good price lol
For a Tesla Model S, yes it was a good price. It was $86K new and low miles for a 10yr old car.
Supercharge for life? So if you buy a second hand model s, you get the free charge too?
On certain years, these early ones came with free Supercharging attached to the car instead of the owner. Tesla will remove it if they ever get their hands on it again, which means it has to be serviced by an independent company. If you consider buying one, check with the owner on the free Supercharging.
@OSRGarage Tesla only removed it, if they resell it. service doesn't break it.
Kind of the only way, for afford these cars.
Looks like a 2024 to me. Don't they ever redesign these cars?
No redesigns, but they do a refresh. They just did the model 3 and working on the model Y now
Thanks for telling about the supercharge for life now I want it
Happy to help
first look up your nearest super charger. my city only has about 15 of them. luckily i live about 3 minutes from one. also consider that for a full charge, on this year of tesla, you might be parked there for about 2 hours for it to charge to a full charge. and if you live in a city with tons of teslas, the wait time would be longer because there could be a line to get to the supercharger. for me its not an issue, but its definitely something to consider.
Um 27k to 29k dollars not a bad deal.👍
I believe it ended up selling for $26K
The door fix will run you about $450, the MCU will cost 1800 for the MCU2, they tried to fix mine with replacing the NAV sim but it didnt work and I still got charged. Idk what the 12v battery will run but the high capacity one will cost 14k. You didn't show the mileage but if it has anything over 80k expect a treasure trove of issues to come. Headlights are $357, Heating in my 2013 is sending air to all the vents no matter whats selected on the MCU as well as the AC and heat will work when it feels like it.....Thats 3k. I tried to get an alignment done but the sway bar and some other thing they tried to talk me into was over $1000, and then the alignment would of been $275. Im going to contact Evolve an authorized tesla service center with body work training and see if I can get some better support. In hindsight the biggest mistake of my car purchase life. 😡😡😡😡😡
Wow, sorry you've had so many issues! This one had around 82k, I think it ended up selling for around $26k a few months after I made the video. I hope most of the issues are behind you now.
@@offtheshelfrides ya youd think but thats not how my life goes......if it can go bad it normally does.
@@offtheshelfrides that is not a bad price and 82k ls not a lot of miles in Tesla world and it has unlimited free charging for life..... you can't loose on that.
@@bbhoustontxnothing has unlimited miles dude.
@@bbhoustontxso its got what 25-30k miles left before major repair costs…..
You were a sucker to pay $30k for an early model S two years ago because they're worth half of that now.
Who said I bought it?
They copied Jaguar's Styling
You have a voice for radio. Thanks for the review. I love my Tesla.
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you for making this video cuz I’m finding teslas for 25k it’s a bit high for someone making 35k a year but doable with a good down payment
You can do it!
Definitely! I just bought a 2013 p85 for 20k, put 10k down. free supercharging, no auto pilot. Best purchase of my life!
@@Carsporttt that sounds like a great deal!
@@offtheshelfrides I feel like I stole it lol
@@CarsportttI'm looking at @ 2013 model S right now with only 30k miles on it one owner. Anything I should know about the maintenance of this model? Also I see there's a upgrade the UI for 2k did you get that or are you still using the older UI.
2:34 You're right it looked like a really attractive and very futuristic sedan when it first came out. And one advantage model s had was there wasnt anything like it in the 2012. But now, everyone makes electric cars and they make it in a way that its no longer a car but a iphone. And tesla updated the model s to a point that it looks so boring and doesnt have any significant or attractive lines on the car. I am still on the market looking for a perfect 2012-2013 P85D with my prefered options and color to arrive (and also the Im looking for a model s with software 1.0 or closer to 1.0).
Good luck in your search! Everyone is saying to get one with the TECH package.
@@offtheshelfrides Thank you! Yes I am looking for the Tech packace but what I really want is the non-updated model S. I know its going to be really hard to find one with the original software 1.0 but I hope I can find one.
Would you recommend me buying a used 2021 model y long range with acceleration boost, 20inch rims and tow hitch. Its selling price is 30,933. But it has 60,700 miles . I’m stuck and don’t know what to do. Anything helps thanks 😊
In my area, Private sell price would be around $32K, a dealership would price probably around $34-35K so I would say it's a pretty decent deal and the Supercharging network is the most reliable for charging right now.
Honestly looks like a car that came today
I know! The styling at that time was way advanced.
@@offtheshelfrides thanks for reply!
So how can we buy a 2012 tesla model s right now?
You have to search for one. Cargurus, autotrader, etc...
biggest problem with 10 year old Tesla is that anytime battery cells might start going bad making it expensive to replace entire battery. or some shops isolate them and cut them out, its cheaper than replacing entire pack but still expensive.
Thank you, good to know
These places are far and few in between, theres some content creator trying to get "Right to Repair"
Who you guys use for extended warranty?
We didn't purchase the car, I only had it for 3 days to make a video.
i just bought a bank auctioned 2012 MS 85D with 53k miles for 7k. it needs some love but i feel like i got a great car for my money. to anyone in the comments considering getting one in 2024 it doesn’t feel outdated at all imo. the thing was a decade ahead of its time so it still feels really modern. if you can find one for a good deal i’d 100% recommend.
That's an amazing find! Great job!
30k $ for a 10 year old Tesla ? Get a new model 3 instead for 35k
That might be an option, but there aren't any new Model 3's for $35K.
Electrek just announced Tesla is working on a version of the Model 3 with cheaper interior parts for $35K
wow I had no idea navigation was a paid feature for Teslas ..... is that really something you need to pay for? I'm planning to buy a used 2014 model S
I am not positive, but a friend with a new 2022 base model s said he had to pay $10/month. Other people have said to get one with the TECH package, probably cost a little more but may include navigation
The $10 per month gets you satellite view maps, traffic data and all of the streaming services. I have a Model 3 ordered June 30, 2018 when data was lifetime. I believe that navigation with basic maps has always been included, but I’m no expert beyond my own car.
There is a aftermarket plug in for the old you can get that unlocks all the features on the car and no it’s not illegal. The device costs around 400usd can’t remember the name
i gotta comment about the panel gaps on teslas: its overblown. my newish infiniti has bigger, more inconsistant panel gaps than any tesla. i see s-classes with massive panel gaps on the showroom floor. every car has inconsistent panel gaps. sorry to tell you
I know that, I was only mentioning it because it is overblown. This car looked great
I swear to God this looks more beautiful than the newer models, doesn't look like an EV at all!
I agree!
They had an optional rear facing third row seat
That's interesting....
My 2013 S60 has the rear facing seats. I'm at 156k.
@@joebass5163 is there enough room to sit back there? Lol
What is the range after 10 years?
I was seeing about 240 - 250 miles from 260 original
@@offtheshelfrides no you were not
@@henrycruz45cal yes, I was
@@henrycruz45cal sounds about right for 84k miles, the S degrades very slowly.
I know this video was posted 11 months ago, but you can get 2016-2017s with same miles for $20-25k
Yes, this was still at the edge of Covid used car boost. I believe they sold it 2 months later for $26k
Do you think buying a 2020 with 80k miles is a good idea?
For the right price, definitely.
It has child lock
Nope, the other door opened fine. Latch is broke.
It will cost you a lot money to fix it.
i just looking for the battery health, durations to know if this cars become a problem when get old... like gasoline ones
It depends, just like how well someone takes care of an engine, battery longevity depends on how well it was taken care of. If it was fast charged a lot, it will have more degradation, if it was mostly charged at home, that battery will last a long time. Tesla tracks all supercharger activity, so you can see how much it was fast charged.
@@offtheshelfrides thanks !!!
Wow! Every idiot on the Internet and his mother are complaining about Tesla quality, but I am really surprised how well this car held together for 10+ years. I have seen a lot of German cars looking much worst after 10 years.
I would imagine the newer models using castings and some new manufacturing techniques will fare even better.
I have a 2014 Model S and about to sell. Warranty is off after 8 years and when that battery dies soon I,m not interested in paying $16,000 for a new one. And the screen leaks a sticky silicone-like matter that is annoying, had to pay to have that replaced.
I understand, but I don't feel your battery will die. I am sure they used better batteries than were put in the Nissan Leafs and there are a lot of them, still working just fine, except for some degradation.
@@offtheshelfridesi feel the battery wont die feel classic ev talk
I found a 2014 model S with 115k miles for 19k Would you suggest I go for it?
Sounds like a lot of miles for the price now. This one sold for $26K just after covid. I wouldn't pay more than $15k
Good video, thank you. I'd be interested to know what a financial risk it mightbe now that it's out of warranty
The biggest will be the battery if it would need replaced
@@offtheshelfrides Yo so how long does a battery usually last for?
the biggest is the battery . about 10-15k to replace it. given that this was originally a 90k car, id say it could be worth it if you already have that money saved. but this car is probably on the middle of its battery life since they can last up to 300k miles. the newer teslas have a different battery technology which reduces the replacement cost to 6k. after the battery the most lilkely high cost maintainance would be tires, which wear down quicker due to the weight of the car, and the motor mounts which wear out faster for the same reason.
@@jonesfredrick94 the biggest is the battery . about 10-15k to replace it. given that this was originally a 90k car, id say it could be worth it if you already have that money saved. but this car is probably on the middle of its battery life since they can last up to 300k miles. the newer teslas have a different battery technology which reduces the replacement cost to 6k. after the battery the most lilkely high cost maintainance would be tires, which wear down quicker due to the weight of the car, and the motor mounts which wear out faster for the same reason.
Beautiful
I thinking to buy one 10-year-old myself. And I hear people around me say the battery will be dead. Very expensive on service. bla bla other pub rumors. So I'm trying to check videos like this one to find out what is reality, It looks like from your video that is actually a good deal.
Yes, it was still a good car, still a good looking car. I did a couple more videos on this one you can check out. It is still available at the dealership.
I found a 2014 with 50k miles in my price range. I seriously don’t see the battery being a problem.. it hasn’t even been charged that much.
@@double_joseph327 that's great!
Thank you, can you tell me if the AC or Heater reduces the mileage, if so, by how much?
On average, expect about 5%.
@@offtheshelfrides I would think there would be a huge difference between SOCAL weather and midwest freeze in the winter--and how many hours you might be driving in the snow. Same with the Mojave Desert, say four hours with the AC on.
Yes, it depends on how you look at it. If it's 30° out and you start up and go, your going to lose 20% range while it heats up the battery and cabin. But once the battery is warm, running the heat or A/C will cause only about a 5% loss in range.
Does a used 2013 Tesla model s 60 have the free supercharge for life?
It depends on the original owner.
I bought the same model and year Tesla from a dealership and Tesla refuses to give me free superchargeing
If it was removed, they won't give it back. Someone had it serviced at Tesla and at that time they removed it. Everyone I have talked to said if your not the original owner and you didn't buy it through Tesla, don't take it to them, they will remove it. Maybe the dealership sent it there, or it was removed before the dealership got it.
@@offtheshelfrides your 100% correct they did that to get people to buy them and now they have to honor that until it hits the dealer.
There is a reliabilty video where the guy drives a tesla like 1.4 million miles. He had to change the rear motor 13 times!
So that means every 107k miles...I have seen ICE have transmissions replaced at 30k so, no too bad
@@offtheshelfridescatastrophic failure vs consistent 100k motors and battery replacements 😂
This is true, though the failure mode is now understood and replacement motors have the fix. Still an expensive fix, but it’s one and done going forward for the large motor repairs.
Let's see how long that battery's going to last lol
Been 10yrs so far.....
How much does it cost to fix the navigation.?
Someone told me it is a monthy subscription...not positive about that though
Did u have to replace battery?
I just borrowed it from the dealership for the weekend. It sold about 2 months later for about $5K less. The dealership had to replace the 12V battery when the sold it. The High Voltage battery seemed to be functioning perfectly while I was using it.
How quickly do these charge? Do they lose range over time?
These early models only charge at 90kw. This one has lost approximately 15 miles of range over 11 years
@OSRGarage thank you, I am in the market to potentially buy an old one, but I'm finding out that there's so much I don't know yet.
The charge time depends on the drain on the battery and slows as it fills up. eg....80kwh charges for me at 250kw/m and as it gets closer to 80% drops to about 80 kw/m stopping at 253. Thats not 100% as you shouldn't charge fully to maintain good battery health. This takes approx 45-50mins
I miss the old charging doors